tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post5804621413512212444..comments2023-09-10T07:11:42.506-07:00Comments on Open Source to Go!: When Zeal Becomes Zealotry: A Tawdry TaleLeftyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08971976622291862537noreply@blogger.comBlogger125125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-68771346756964520522009-07-20T05:43:43.329-07:002009-07-20T05:43:43.329-07:00@Lefty: You state that Roy libeled you, apologized...<b><i>@Lefty: You state that Roy libeled you, apologized for it, then removed it from his site. Anyone can type text and put it in quotation marks. Do you have screen shots of the site in question? That would be more credible for starters.</i></b><br /><br />Bonus points for questioning my credibility right out of the gate, thanks.<br /><br />Roy's retraction and apology can be found <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/correction-about-schlesinger/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Roy's face-saving misrepresentation of that retraction and apology can be found in the comments <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/19/ms-vs-ukraine-linux-foss/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Do I seem more credible to you now? Feel free to apologize anytime.<br /><br /><b><i>As for stating you and Roy are going to wind up in a courtroom, don't you think it's a bit petty of you?</i></b><br /><br />No. As for asking whether I think it's a bit petty of me when you haven't looked into the facts, don't you think tht's a bit presumptuous of you?<br /><br /><b><i>And over what? One single e-mail?</i></b><br /><br />No. over Roy's repeated and egregious libels, over his acting in bad faith, and over his inability to distinguish truth from fiction on an amazingly consistent basis.<br /><br />There's scarcely a page on the site which doesn't contain lies.<br /><br /><a href="" rel="nofollow">Here</a>'s a fine example: Look at the headline. "Microsoft CEO Admits That Vista 7 is Vapourware". Wow, that sounds pretty unbelievable, huh?<br /><br />Only because it is. Ballmer never said anything like that. The story Roy sources is about Google's Chrome OS, and is essentially a parody. An accurate title might be "Roy Schestowitz claims, without evidence, that Vist 7 is Vapourware".<br /><br />A Microsoft employee, Jonathan WOng (who, from his comments, seems to be a much more decent person than any of the "regulars" on Boycott Novell) has repeatedly asked Roy to correct that story. As you can see.<br /><br />This is <i>not </i>responsible journalism.<br /><br />There is an ongoing pattern of dishonesty and of defamation on Boycott Novell which would be disturbing anywhere on the web, but which is doubly so in a site which purports to be a news site.<br /><br /><b><i>As far as lawsuits are concerned, the burden is on you to prove that he intended to harm your reputation (which is what libel does). Thus far, I have not seen evidence of any intent.</i></b><br /><br />Well, you're 100% wrong there. Under British law, and especially as someone who is not a public figure, I don't have to prove too much in a defamation case. I certainly don't have to prove malice--although Roy's repeated libels of me, in spite of my repeated efforts to correct him, are a clear demonstration of malice.<br /><br />Under British defamation law, the burden of proof is squarely on the defendant. When I pull Roy into court for libel, he's going to have to demonstrate to the court's satisfaction that all the things he's said about me are factual.<br /><br />He's going to have some trouble there.Leftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08971976622291862537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-63505064105022593162009-07-20T00:52:07.644-07:002009-07-20T00:52:07.644-07:00@Lefty: You state that Roy libeled you, apologized...@Lefty: You state that Roy libeled you, apologized for it, then removed it from his site. Anyone can type text and put it in quotation marks. Do you have screen shots of the site in question? That would be more credible for starters.<br /><br />As for stating you and Roy are going to wind up in a courtroom, don't you think it's a bit petty of you? And over what? One single e-mail? As far as lawsuits are concerned, the burden is on you to prove that he intended to harm your reputation (which is what libel does). Thus far, I have not seen evidence of any intent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17612760065098765059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-42170064099061598282009-07-19T17:44:12.275-07:002009-07-19T17:44:12.275-07:00Since I first posted this entry, Roy's libeled...Since I first posted this entry, Roy's libeled me on his site, retracted his libel and apologized, then repeated precisely the same libels within a day's time.<br /><br />I've caught Roy in lie after lie after lie after lie on his cesspool of a web site. He is, in my estimation, a pathological liar and can no longer distinguish fact from fiction.<br /><br />This is the retraction which Roy posted for libeling me:<br /><br />"I made statements that Mr. Schlesinger was attacking Richard Stalman over disagreements about Mono, rather than over Mr. Stallman's sexist remarks at the Gran Canaria Desktop SUmmit, as well as suggesting that he used false names. This was wrong of me. I retract these statements unreservedly and offer Mr. Schlesinger a full apology for having made them. I will endeavor to avoid making such irresponsible statements in the future."<br /><br />Moments ago, in a comment on his site, Roy characterized that retraction as follows: "I never admitted libel. My later post with a retraction (which <em>you</em> asked for) was about wrongly remembering something that had happened weeks earlier."<br /><br />Roy is not only a liar, he acts in bad faith. He and I are going to end up in a courtroom.Leftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08971976622291862537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-84842563977520117012009-07-06T06:07:50.447-07:002009-07-06T06:07:50.447-07:00Corrected link:
astralknight's inactive digg ...Corrected link:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.digg.com/users/astralknight" rel="nofollow">astralknight's inactive digg user page</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-9764588878980549012009-07-06T06:03:41.011-07:002009-07-06T06:03:41.011-07:00HA! astralknight just got banned from Digg today!...HA! astralknight just got banned from Digg today!<br /><br /><a href="" rel="nofollow">http://www.digg.com/users/astralknight</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-68284051562268395302009-07-04T11:24:48.702-07:002009-07-04T11:24:48.702-07:00I've checked out astralknight on Digg & Re...I've checked out astralknight on Digg & Reddit, as well as cyberphoenix on mixx. They are definitely the same person.<br /><br />I haven't found much at all on diamond wakizashi other than a few hits on BN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-41796655798718038802009-06-28T16:06:56.242-07:002009-06-28T16:06:56.242-07:00The relationship between AstralKnight, CyberPhoeni...The relationship between AstralKnight, CyberPhoenix and DiamondWakizashi is easy to see - they're troll accounts used to push the boycotnovell bullshit on Digg, Reddit, Mixx and elsewhere. I have no definitive proof of "Mark Fink" being the same person, it's just a hunch. The "you should die because you are not as pure as me" attitude is basically the same. How many angry, insulting trolls do you figure Roy is grooming? More than one would be too gutter, even for him. And risky, as he found out in this case.<br /><br />People like this invariably think they're more clever than everyone else, that they can get away with this kind of shit forever and they figure no one is going to notice. The same thing happened to his pet nymshifter on Slashdot (the "twitter" idiot), and the same thing happens to the "MadHatter" guy, "Goblin" and "Slated". Even to Jose_X, who is recognizable by his unfocused and endless verbal assaults. They all have easily recognizable patterns. You just have to look for them.<br /><br />Sorry for the late reply. Microsoft pays me to "troll" the forces of freedom only at the end of each month :) The rest of the time I have to work the 9-5 job.G. Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07812913890159379992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-55719573232005999372009-06-22T13:42:39.029-07:002009-06-22T13:42:39.029-07:00Corrected the Digg link for you:
Scestowitz tries...Corrected the Digg link for you:<br /><br /><a href="http://digg.com/linux_unix/Schestowitz_tries_to_get_Canonical_people_fired_over_mono" rel="nofollow">Scestowitz tries to get Canonical people fired over mono</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-34120727935109117812009-06-22T13:03:27.074-07:002009-06-22T13:03:27.074-07:00@Seanbot
Slander! Libel! Libelous slander!@Seanbot<br /><br />Slander! Libel! Libelous slander!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-52404092499450735922009-06-22T12:49:51.313-07:002009-06-22T12:49:51.313-07:00Hey, just so you know, this entry is on Digg now. ...Hey, just so you know, this entry is on Digg now. It's good to know that the Linux community at large is being informed of this!<br /><br />http://digg.com/linux_unix/Schestowitz_tries_to_get_Canonical_people_fired_over_monoSeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03478554816404215450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-11170989979613659952009-06-22T09:54:28.747-07:002009-06-22T09:54:28.747-07:00In the "Mark Fink" has nothing to do wit...In the <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/12/mark-fink-false-accusations" rel="nofollow">"Mark Fink" has nothing to do with us</a> story, Schestowitz disabled ratings & comments. It's obvious he was afraid of more confrontation.<br /><br />In the story the best part was "One has to wonder if all that disruption in the Ubuntu mailing lists was actually intended to incite people and make this Web site look bad." He just can't understand why anyone would not agree with him. He's trying to make himself look like the victim, like he always does.<br /><br />When he's finally out of business. I'm sure he'll be blaming everyone except the one person who should take all the blame: himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-36693049140127225582009-06-21T22:21:00.518-07:002009-06-21T22:21:00.518-07:00First, Roy's had plenty of opportunities to di...First, Roy's had plenty of opportunities to dispute that email, and he hasn't done so, not even once. He's alluded to <i>other </i>emails which, according to him, would change my interpretation of events, but has failed to produce a single one.<br /><br />In any case, I'm in Amsterdam this week and Gran Canaria next week, and while I'm not unwilling to post the message someplace where people can verify it independently, it's going to have to wait until I return to the States on the 12th of July...Leftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08971976622291862537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-45458491098089626632009-06-21T15:19:40.131-07:002009-06-21T15:19:40.131-07:00Roy didn't deny the email. He didn't even...Roy didn't deny the email. He didn't even mention the email in his first comment (the first comment), so it has to be real.<br /><br />When faced with the truth, Roy & Co. ignore it. Roy knows the email is real, and it makes him look bad, so he ignored it.<br /><br />Though Lefty, you should go ahead and let other people verify the signature anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-78750780575245499042009-06-21T13:09:10.721-07:002009-06-21T13:09:10.721-07:00While I have no love lost for Roy and his numerous...While I have no love lost for Roy and his numerous errors and outright lies on his site, your charges are serious--especially the claim that the email you quote is from him.<br /><br />You say the signature verifies, but I am unable to verify it, because the conversion of the email to HTML for your blog entry has sufficiently mangled it that I can't recover the original.<br /><br />Please put the file that you verified the signature on someplace where it can be retrieved by third parties, unmangled, so we can check.tzshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15146754296775505800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-33716250739775609542009-06-20T13:02:27.875-07:002009-06-20T13:02:27.875-07:00Lefty,
Evidently this entire blog post is now c...Lefty,<br /><br /> Evidently this entire blog post is now considered <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/20/whisper-campaign-gnote/#comment-67214" rel="nofollow">libel</a> by Roy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-79931430746241551242009-06-19T15:20:34.922-07:002009-06-19T15:20:34.922-07:00I guess just some more traffic goes to BoycottNove...I guess just some more traffic goes to BoycottNovell. Silence is blissOnur Gümüşhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07923423373852682999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-72434134893066681912009-06-19T14:27:06.909-07:002009-06-19T14:27:06.909-07:00In Roy's last comment on that BSA article, Roy...In Roy's last comment on that BSA article, Roy states:<br /><br />"Thanks a lot, Alex, for all the feedback that helps me see where the post was deficient. I won’t link here (not without expressing the flaws in the anchor)."<br /><br />Yet, if you scroll to just above the comment section where all the linkbacks to that article are listed, you'll find that he has not done as he promised in ANY of the later articles that he wrote linking back to that one.<br /><br />Caught in another lie.<br /><br />(Big surprise, I'm sure)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-84315073060660633562009-06-19T09:44:29.858-07:002009-06-19T09:44:29.858-07:00Yeah, the Roy / Jose_X debating team is a joy to b...Yeah, the Roy / Jose_X debating team is a joy to behold. Roy will hammer you with irrelevant cites and inept arguments while Jose batters you with his verbal diarrhoea.<br /><br />The classic example is still http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/07/bsa-and-novell-patents/<br /><br />Summary: Novell purchase some extremely important and dangerous patents from a bankrupt company, and donate them to the protection of free software. <br /><br />BoycottNovell summary: Novell engage in more software patent abuse! <br /><br />Note well how Roy later "admits" that he deliberately wrote the article that way in the knowledge that the patents had been donated to OIN. He owns up to lying.<br /><br />Except, of course, he didn't - in order to tell those lies about Novell he would have had to do some research, and that _never_ happens - he just prefers to been seen as distorting the truth than having misunderstood it in the first place. Bizarre.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-7522334166971880802009-06-19T08:34:08.515-07:002009-06-19T08:34:08.515-07:00I just finished reading the Left vs Roy/Jose_X thr...I just finished reading the Left vs Roy/Jose_X thread at <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/17/steve-ballmer-crimes-vs-os2" rel="nofollow">http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/17/steve-ballmer-crimes-vs-os2</a> regarding the Jimmi Hugh libel and my mind is just spinning with disbelief.<br /><br />Is it me, or can Jose_X's argument be summed up as the following:<br /><br />"If you don't know the facts then it would seem like Jimmi Hugh was guilty, therefore Roy wasn't wrong in accusing him of being guilty, especially since we don't know for sure that he is innocent."<br /><br />The more I look, the more I see that their arguments consist of nothing but logical fallacies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-68984133841851266252009-06-19T01:15:22.648-07:002009-06-19T01:15:22.648-07:00He does risk lawsuits - being in the UK puts him i...He does risk lawsuits - being in the UK puts him in the libel hotspot of the world. However, realistically, there wouldn't be an awful lot of point: you wouldn't get much in the way of damages from a student (assuming he even still is one - that PHD has been coming for years now, what's up with that?), and you'd get the hatemail from his acolytes about how he was being censored and all.<br /><br />Many of his IRC friends - Mark Kent, Jose Veloso, Will Hill, Keith R-T, etc. are all very real people. However, some are obvious socks and clearly run some of these 'reposting' accounts on other services. "Mark Fink" I don't think is amongst them - the digg/reddit personas are the same person, the FSDaily is someone else. "Mark Fink" is probably Will, but the nutty e-mailers and the BN reposters are definitely different people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-41362710153036683132009-06-18T17:07:23.479-07:002009-06-18T17:07:23.479-07:00I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if that ...I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if that were to happen. Roy's on the wrong side of the line here, I'd say.Leftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08971976622291862537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-567049123682857012009-06-18T16:59:00.337-07:002009-06-18T16:59:00.337-07:00Lefty, I read through the comments on BN, that sto...Lefty, I read through the comments on BN, that story about OS/2. Roy really is unable to answer a question.<br /><br />Sooner or later, someone will sue him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-2046146011968496072009-06-18T13:16:43.528-07:002009-06-18T13:16:43.528-07:00Oh, and you won't win your current argument. H...Oh, and you won't win your current argument. He's simply got more stamina than you. I tried the same when he insisted that Sun did not support OOXML, despite Sun employees adding support for it to OOo3 (a fact he simply refused to acknowledge regardless of that annoying blip known as "reality"). That one went on for MONTHS. In the end it's why I gave up commenting over there.<br /><br />Coming up on Boycott Novell: "Cognitive Dissonance, and how we don't suffer from it"Jo Shieldshttp://apebox.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-32868128458289249942009-06-18T11:31:15.909-07:002009-06-18T11:31:15.909-07:00I'm not convinced by the association, unless G...I'm not convinced by the association, unless Gordy can provide reasoning behind his analysis.<br /><br />I certainly believe that "komrad" on FSDaily, "donkeypuke" on Reddit, and "AstralKnight" on Digg are all members of his IRC channel - but I don't know who. Or which of them is Fink.Jo Shieldshttp://apebox.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7127741847312258461.post-53660204217123475352009-06-18T11:15:01.169-07:002009-06-18T11:15:01.169-07:00Gordy Michaels writes in a comment here that '...Gordy Michaels writes in a comment <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/11/manners/#comment-66085" rel="nofollow">here</a> that '"Mark Fink” equals “AstralKnight” equals “CyberPhoenix” equals “Diamond Wakizashi”'...<br /><br />Roy's story started out being hard to believe, but we're well beyond the "pretty much defying the laws of physics" point, I think...Leftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08971976622291862537noreply@blogger.com